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Truck the mres in. they've refused to give them the weaponry they've been begging for. the sanctions have been minuscule. these latest enacted by the obama administration, i think, are helpful, but if you ask ukrainian government that's struggling, they would say they need weapons for which to defend themselves. well, vladimir putin just moved 10,000 troops back to the border again and we have seen a step up in separatist activities. so i think we have been so unhelpful to the ukrainians that it has affected their morale. >> i know this is not the cold war. this is a different government in ru...

Mistake made by someone who had the capability to shoot down an aircraft and we know at least from the last few -- couple weeks that that could be russian or separatist russian capability. if that's true, this is really, really something that commands our attention to bring this kind of thing to a halt in ukraine. >> we're talking about 295 passengers. 15 crew members. a 777. boeing has acknowledged that the plane has been lost on radar. we see the video already. this is somewhere near donetsk. we see the video of the smoke coming from that field. senator, as you say, we do not know what happe...

Point. but again, i would think, andrea, as you know in this business, that it shouldn't take too long for them to figure it out, if in fact, that plane was shot down. >> and, in fact, they've got plenty of debris there. we're seeing pictures off of russian television now of the debris field. so tragically, we see clearly there were no survivors from this. this is 295 people. 280 passengers, 15 crew members. malaysian air flight, mik, which was at cruise altitude. and this is a workhorse plane, the 777. this is a plane that does long hauls. we've all flown on them across -- on international fl...

Plane, i think there's going to be hell to pay, and there should be. >> senator john mccain, thank you for joining us in this emergency as we continue the breaking news. a malaysian airliner tlig from amster doom kuala lumpur, malaysia, went down near donetsk, we believe in ukraine. over, cra ukrainian territory. it's still unknown whether it was pilot error, some kind of mechanical error or some sort of other action. and if so, from which side. michael mcfaul joining me, former ambassador to russia. you know all of the tensions. michael mcfaul, stanford professor as well richard engel joining...

Position to speak to the timing of that phone call. so it's not clear that the two leaders discussed the plane. and i heard you reporting earlier today that it would stand to reason that that phone call probably took place before president obama was briefed about the plane. but again, we're working to get confirmation about that. in terms of the president's schedule today, he's an a previously scheduled trip to delaware. he's about to speak at the port of wilmington. preplanned event which will focus on infrastructure. at this point in time, the white house does not have any plans for the pres...