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>> well, so bel edwards is an encome bent, he's pro life. he is not where beto o'rourke is on guns, far, far from it. and the sleeper issue here is medicaid. he expanded med cane. he said he's going to freeze medicaid. medicaid is kryptonite to republicans. >> i was just going to say this is -- in some ways this is why frankly eugene, the democratic party, why they're not united in embracing an expansion of obamacare is beyond me because they've got republicans in a bind. >> it is. it is popular. look at it from the president's point of view. you just had a big loss in kentucky. so, he certain...

So it can't be that radical. it's a very straightforward principle that says we're going to set up an exchange, a pool, where people who don't have health insurance and small businesses who can't afford it right now can buy into the pool. if -- if even after we've driven premiums down because of increased competition and choice, you still can't afford, it we're going to give you a subsidy depending on your income. we're going ask that everybody get health insurance, but if you still can't afford it, we'll exempt you. we'll give you a hardship exemption because there's some folks that it's just...