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To be about, and i'm sure all of us are going to be counting down those days on the calendar to see when he makes a decision and whether it actually is going to be a serious 2020 republican presidential run. >> anita, i noticed sanford had an interesting media outing tonight with two chrises, one named hayes, the other cuomo. chris hayes was trying to get him to acknowledge that deficits matter the most to republicans when democrats are in control of the government. chris hayes was trying to get him to speak out against racism vis-a-vis donald trump. both did not go smoothly or well. we do kno...

And politics with him, but still this drumbeat that just stuck in his mind, as he put it to me, it just lingered. and he's someone that if he can't shake it, he's going to pursue it in some form or fashion, and that's what these next 30-something days are going to be about, and i'm sure all of us are going to be counting down those days on the calendar to see when he makes a decision and whether it actually is going to be a serious 2020 republican presidential run. >> anita, i noticed sanford had an interesting media outing tonight with two chrises, one named hayes, the other cuomo. chris haye...