to be about, and i'm sure all of us are going to be counting down those days on the calendar to see when he makes a decision and whether it actually is going to be a serious 2020 republican presidential run. >> anita, i noticed sanford had an interesting media outing tonight with two chrises, one named hayes, the other cuomo. chris hayes was trying to get him to acknowledge that deficits matter the most to republicans when democrats are in control of the government. chris hayes was trying to get him to speak out against racism vis-a-vis donald trump. both did not go smoothly or well. we do know about sanford, anita, that he is one of the button pushers for donald trump. i'm going to play this clip from trump and talk about it on the other side. >> i never liked him too much. i wasn't a big fan. the tallahassee trail. it must be a beautiful place. unfortunately, he didn't go there. >> no, he didn't.