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This is the republican primary from 2016 with a dozen people competing ripping each other apart. i think donald trump right now is going to buy more popcorn and watch them rip each other up. >> bill: thank you for being our headliner. >> sandra: thank you. a grand jury hitting empire actor jussie smollett with 16 felony counts of lying to chicago police. his attorney says this is a case of prosecutorial overkill and his client is being treated unfairly. >> i've never seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of their presumption of innocence like this case. >...

>> joey, i got to play this from defense attorney mark geragos, here's something else that he brought up, listen to this. >> what is happening here is frankly, a media gang bang of this guy of unprecedented proportions. that's the reason i got into this. i've never seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of their presumption of innocence like this case. it's startling the way people assume that he's guilty. >> he brings up that bigger issue of innocent until proven guilty, that's seems to be to some degree. your thoughts? >> christi, everyone has a presumpt...

Said. >> they're bringing 16 counts, because they parsed out two statements. i defy you to find something like that. he was not suspended. they have not talked to one person at fox who has said his was dissatisfied with his money. i've never seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of their presumption of innocence like this case. it's startling the way people assume that he's guilty. >> joey, 16 counts, does that sound like a lot? >> it is a lot. but prosecutors, they charge and programs overzealously. maybe he'll make mods on duplicity issues. what that me...

Accessed his records. what is happening here is frankly a media gang bang of this guy of unprecedented proportions and that's the reason i got into this. i've never seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of their presumption of innocence like this case. it's startling the way people assume that he's guilty. he hasn't been given one stitch of discovery. not one. there isn't one police report. your package just said he paid $3500. i've got the texts. those texts and they conceded that the check and the texts were for training. it wasn't to pay anything. so i...

Defense attorney here, mark geragos, also a cnn contributor. let's watch. >> what is happening is frankly a media gang bang of this guy of unprecedented proportions. that's the reason i got into this. i've seen seen a media pendulum swing more quickly and more viciously and rob somebody of our presumption of innocence like this case. it's startling the way people assume he's guilty. >> you say the 16 counts, one for each lie is not typical. >> no. >> is it as geragos says, overkill, overreach? >> i don't think so. because the way they charged the crime is different than the way the case may pl...