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Interest here. i firmly disagree with these accusations. >> laura: ken, what you're saying is acosta took the hard line in the case. >> correct. >> laura: you were there in the room. >> i was in the room. >> laura: he's now out of the cabinet because of the media setting upon him 12 years later because of his association with donald trump. that is what is going on and happens in washington. mueller is testifying now, ken. they're moving it back to the 26th or so? 24th. >> yes. a week later. >> laura: thoughts on. that is that a sign of breakdown and negotiations of what he will talk about? >> ...

Accusations. >> laura: ken, what you're saying is acosta took the hard line in the case. >> correct. >> laura: you were there in the room. >> i was in the room. >> laura: he's now out of the cabinet because of the media setting upon him 12 years later because of his association with donald trump. that is what is going on and happens in washington. mueller is testifying now, ken. they're moving it back to the 26th or so? 24th. >> yes. a week later. >> laura: thoughts on. that is that a sign of breakdown and negotiations of what he will talk about? >> well, we don't know. my speculation, laura, ...

He does only friendly interviews. the last time he did an adversarial tv interview, adversarial -- >> he did the singapore thing with news outlets. he talks to a wider range of people than we know. the people reporters he talks to off the record, it's not like he's only calling up fox news. it's more he doesn't care -- >> to sam's point no one in the public sees him anywhere other than in a friendly media setting. >> look, the reality is that stephen miller who was the architect of this policy as much as anyone who donald trump listens to more than anyone on this topic goes to "the new york ti...

Imagine general eisenhower after the d-day landing, which won the war for us in europe, tried to imagine eisenhower getting up there and talking about i did this, i did that, i did the other thing. the message has gotten through to the media. the media has, in fact, been talking about this -- this overkill. we have had letters from bin laden published, which is quites amazing. and in the view of many, a real security risk. those are the letters that were found by the seals on the raid. we have had the trip to afghanistan which was show business and recalled the trip to europe with the columns ...

It could be a blow to him. illinois is a state that doesn't set up particularly well for him. it's an important state. it's big midwestern state. doesn't look good to lose big there. >> bill: media setting it up that illinois is more conservative now than it ever has been. and i love the media run up. that santorum could do well. because, again, we talked about this. mainstream media would love to have rick santorum as the nominee running against president obama. however, some polls today showed santorum beating obama one in one in the five, you know, key ohio, north carolina, florida those st...