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>> larry: who'll be with us in a little while. so you have vowed nonviolence? >> yes, i have. >> larry: what would you add, kathryn, as to what to do when we as a -- by the way, what was public opinion at the time in florida? >> you know, it was really widely divided. >> larry: did they do polls? >> they do polls. a lot of people were saying these children should -- you know, they're monsters and they need to go away forever. but there was a compassionate few who said, you know what, there are alternatives that we need to investigate. there were a lot of people with a big heart that really sai...

>> you know, it was really widely divided. >> larry: did they do polls? >> they do polls. a lot of people were saying these children should -- you know, they're monsters and they need to go away forever. but there was a compassionate few who said, you know what, there are alternatives that we need to investigate. there were a lot of people with a big heart that really said, you know what, let's take a look at this and see if there's a way that we don't have to give up on these children. >> larry: jayne, mediation -- >> kathy medico, you are the one with a big heart. >> larry: yeah. jayne, we h...

A vow of nonviolence. a movement started by deepak chopra. >> larry: who'll be with us in a little while. so you have vowed nonviolence? >> yes, i have. >> larry: what would you add, kathryn, as to what to do when we as a -- by the way, what was public opinion at the time in florida? >> you know, it was really widely divided. >> larry: did they do polls? >> they do polls. a lot of people were saying these children should -- you know, they're monsters and they need to go away forever. but there was a compassionate few who said, you know what, there are alternatives that we need to investigate. ...

Mediator step in. did it work? >> it was incredibly -- it did work because we were able to work through it. we came up with a theory for a third degree murder. which really didn't exist but it was palatablpalatable. even at that point, judge bell and rimer, david rimer, the prosecutor, had also objected to me getting them into the department of juvenile justice. they still wanted the boys to be serving time in an adult prison. even for seven years. so they didn't really understand either -- >> larry: wow. >> -- but because the sentence was only seven years, which was our objective and our goal...