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Changes, as well in the bill aimed at several key states. alaska, kentucky, several others where clearly the white house thinks they can try to turn some votes. >> well, it is interesting to see how people have turned out. but they've been turning out through the whole debate on overturning the affordable care act. you see people with disabilities all of whom have a pre-existing medical condition. we have the little lobbyist here, the children with pre-existing conditions. if you had one subject of the bill that you would address, pre-existing conditions, what is in jeopardy here and the repub...

>> the expansion of medicaid. the fact is is that what they've done in this bill as bad as the other bill was, they've made it worse in terms of pre-existing conditions. in terms of medicaid which affects many people with pre-existing conditions, it makes matters worse. but it's interesting to note the following. when they say people are covered with pre-existing, you can get insurance for pre-existing conditions if you happen to have advanced cancer, it will cost you nearly $150,000. >> so it prices them out. >> the insurance company won't sell it to you. under the affordable care act they co...

Called medicaid plus which is k the lowest level of care. that means there are loware. reimbursments by the federal government? >> right. the plans are notim paying the doctors a lot. in fact, they are going back and renegotiating the contracts and cutting what they are paying the doctors. >> we are hearing anecdotes that it is happening in the m medicare advantage program which is a private form of medicare care. is that happen thrg too? >> right. so remember there were $158 billion worth of cuts to the medicare program. to the administration papered over those cuts with some money they gave ...

Patients. with the obama care results coming, in a lot of people who have been unsuccessful are being pushed to medicaid. is this that two-tiered system i keep hearing about? >> about 25% of all american will be on medicaid by the time the president finishes his second term. i think we're creating a four-tier system. there will be people with private, commercial insurance. people on medicare. then there's going to be people on obama care and people on medicaid. medicaid is, unfortunately, the lowest tier. obama care's not that much better. the commercial insurers are openly calling it less -- ...

Limited networks of doctors and hospitals. a kind of medicaid plus, and the other thing is for a lot of consumers, they don't qualify for a lot of subsidies. >> so they'll be paying a lot of money. >> right, so when the regulations and mandates drive up the cost of health insurance and they're not offset by subsidies, this might not be a good deal. >> the key thing, briefly, the key thing to watch how many people enroll and why thwho the are, if they're the elderly and sick or young and healthy? >> about 15% who are offered it don't accept it. if that happens in the exchange marketplaces, you ...