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Attacking social security for working people, that's all they've got left. all they've got left. so this would be an -- this is really, i think, driven by the right-wing ideologues. i think trump is going to get it pretty quickly this is a stupid thing to do politically. the other thing, this is an incredibly stupid thing to do in terms of economic management. the truth is, what they want essentlly is to give everyone 401(k)s. you want to turn the retirement system over to wall street which damn near tanked the entire economic system six years ago? i don't think so. so this is just a bad idea,...

A state, it's a negative one indeed. he says, in part that today they took -- they meaning the white house -- took a step backward moving away from consensus significantly closer to the cliff delaying again the real balanced solution that this crisis requires. of course we'll see a lot of posturing from both sides. are you persuaded that the administration needs to, and is prepared to do enough, on the medicare side, on the entitlement side, as well as getting these revenues, you know, from the republicans, concessions that speaker boehner says are on the table? >> well, i think the question o...

Complicated. if he raises taxes as much as you say he is going, to particularly on the medicare side, when everything is going to have to pay that not just rich guys, and the capital gains up to 22.5 to 15. it's not going to get through. it's impossible. democrats could not vote for that and survive in this country. it's not going to get through. >> can i give a fourth thing? >> bill: are you going to tell me i'm crazy? i thought you were going to tell me i'm crazy and it will get through. >> yeah, you are. yeah, you are. >> bill: you say it's going to get through with those draconian tax rise...

Complicated. if he raises taxes as much as you say he is going, to particularly on the medicare side, when everything is going to have to pay that not just rich guys, and the capital gains up to 22.5 to 15. it's not going to get through. it's impossible. democrats could not vote for that and survive in this country. it's not going to get through. >> can i give a fourth thing? >> bill: are you going to tell me i'm crazy? i thought you were going to tell me i'm crazy and it will get through. >> yeah, you are. yeah, you are. >> bill: you say it's going to get through with those draconian tax rise...

Complicated. if he raises taxes as much as you say he is going, to particularly on the medicare side, when everything is going to have to pay that not just rich guys, and the capital gains up to 22.5 to 15. it's not going to get through. it's impossible. democrats could not vote for that and survive in this country. it's not going to get through. >> can i give a fourth thing? >> bill: are you going to tell me i'm crazy? i thought you were going to tell me i'm crazy and it will get through. >> yeah, you are. yeah, you are. >> bill: you say it's going to get through with those draconian tax rise...