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Fundamental flaw within the program itself. so what we're trying to do is to -- and we ask you and the american people to march a medicaid system that actually works better for patients. medicaid is a system that deals with the disabled, the elderly, healthy moms and kids. yet the federal government up to this point has said to the states you've got to treat every single one of those individuals exactly the same. that doesn't make any sense to anybody. so what we are fashioning is a system that would allow the states to tailor their medicate program to those specific individuals thereby saving...

President's healthcare law, medicaid is becoming more expansive and will cover a lot more people and it will get more expensive because we'll have more people taking advantage of it. so now some 16 states are saying, well, we are going to limit the number of name brands patients can have access to. first do we know this is a cause and effect from the healthcare law? or was this based on the rising costs of medicaid we have been dealing with for some time. >> this is based on trends going on the past 10 years. the problem is there will be 30 million people who will have access through this medi...

because no other state had a medicate program as lavish as yours, and no other state got as much money under the bush administration for this experiment. so there's a lot of big government behind romney care. not as much as obama care but a heck of a lot more than your campaign has admitted. >> he also likes to hammer the centerpiece of the massachusetts law which is the individual mandate that requires all residents above a certain income level to buy health insurance or pay a fine. now, the idea is controversial, but not so long ago many conservatives including gingrich supported t...

Care paid for by the government. what she's doing is she's doing everything possible to discourage people from wanting to be on our state's medicaid program and seek dream through our state's medicate program. what this fat tax does is it forces individuals on access to choose between losing weight and seeking medical treatment. i think the governor's theory is a lot of them will choose not to seek medical treatment. >> when you bring up jane brewer, the governor, do you think she's not taking into consideration the fact that many of these people are not even going to be able to pay these fine...