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Director, you must have been on to something. what will their defense be at this moment? >> well, you're starting to see a little bit of that. the first is silence, the second is denial. the third defense is to say, hey, we were just going off the best informing we had, and our very sophisticated readership at the new yorker wanted to hear about this. i mean, look, it was a lie, that's the bottom line. russian collusion was a lie. we know that now with absolute certainty from the i.g. report, it was built on a lie and it subjected this country to two years of division. and people at the networ...

Trouble. there should be hard questions put to her about what's going on over there. >> at the beginning of the administration, the idea of a deep state was dismissed as conspiracy talk. right? but those that have been in wash washingtowashwashington understn unelected class that people think they're better than you. >> you see what they did first. they said there's no such thing as a deep state. it's a conspiracy theory put forward by donald trump and right wing lunatics. now they say there is a deep state and it's an important thing that's protecting the country. >> from the beginning, i fel...

She caved, and she knows there could be potential consequences. but this idea of like, oh, i'm holier than thou, the democrats have to stand up for america, it's nonsense. you should be talking about the issues and not -- pete: absolutely. totally vague terms because their russia thing didn't work for years, now this ukraine thing's falling apart, and suddenly we have to believe that nancy pelosi's some sort of mega-patriot with the constitution tattooed on her? ed: like you? pete: let's leave that aside. to your point, ed, it is democrats now worried about the fact that if you're running an e...