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I fully concur -- >> dr. meissner, if omicron were mild, i think you'd have a stronger argument, a stronger hand, because then the idea would be, let's lead our lives. this virus is going to continue to spread. but at least, as long as you're vaccinated -- again, get vaccinated, it's not going to kill you. but if the uk data that i referenced at the outset of the program, not peer reviewed. but if that's true that it's not as mild as we hoped, then i think it harms your argument. you get the final word. go ahead. >> thank you. i think there are different interpretations of omicron. i think you...

The uk experience may be right. but, again, i would suggest caution here. let's wait until we've had a little bit more experience, before starting to initiate mastiff m massive lockdown. people should get the boost, vaccinated, absolutely correct. and get a booster, particularly in a high-risk group. protect yourself as best you can because i think most people feel that the immune response to the vaccine does protect against omicron. it may not last -- >> okay. >> but it does protect. >> it's a great conversation. just how much we should take protective measures, but on one thing, we're all ag...

Or lead us the way out of this pandemic. there is absolutely no excuse for an adult not to have been fully vaccinated. there are various methods have been developed to try and induce people to get it voluntarily. and unfortunately, there's still about 60 million people in the united states who are unvaccinated. >> dr. meissner, that's the easy part. the easy part is everybody ought to get vaccinated. we agree and i'm glad to you have reassert that. but it sounds like you're doing a balancing act like, almost like that statue of lady justice and you're saying protect lives and economic costs. a...

Of higher rates of different -- those are different parts of the country, there are different variants that are circulating in those areas. and the physical setup in the school is likely to be quite variable. so the important point that we were trying to make in our op-ed editorial is before we recommend that 56 million children and adolescents in the united states between fifth grade and through 17 years of age wear masks will let's find out what the consequences of such widespread use of masks is. it's harmful -- >> okay, dr. benjamin, you get the final word. it's such a complicated subject....

University abc collaborative. i'm also joined by you one of the authors on "the wall street journal" article against masks dr. codey meister. he's also the member of the committee that advises the fda on vaccine decisions. doctors, thank you for being here. let us start with the easter stuff. dr. benjamin, anyone eligible for the vaccine should be vaccinated, right? >> correct. >> dr. misener, anyone eligible for the vaccine should be vaccinated, right? >> michael, yes. and let me say thank you very much for the opportunity to participate this morning. it's wonderful to be on the show. it's al...