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It was so reliable on that front. the facts don't matter to him in those situations and it continues to be the case that he holds it now very close for the same reasons. >> and he even admitted, nick, that when people got distracted or wandered off that he would bring back the wall. he said it was the best applause line. what about his own people admitting to the "new york times" that actually this was just a memory trick for him in 2014, they came up with the idea of a wall because they knew donald trump didn't like to read or perhaps he doesn't know how to read, it's hard to say, but everyon...

Republican senators charles grassley and orrin hatch as head cheer leader. senator biden was twisting arms to get the bankruptcy bill through congress. warren stopped brlogging in 200. joining us from washington is coauthor of the politico play book. let's talk about this "new york times" latest reporting on president trump's campaign promise of a wall, which was originally proposed it seems as a memory trick to talk more about immigration than the wall. how is now this idea spun out, daniel, to create the third longest shut down in u.s. history? >> trump has gotten boxed in by building the ...

Now, sam nunberg, trump campaign adviser during the 2016 election cycle. sam, sam, sam, my friend, is it you that we have to thank for all of this consternation about building a wall and here's why i ask that, because you spoke to "the new york times" for this and in this report by peter baker, whom i spoke with earlier in the hour. >> right. >> it says that the whole wall idea was a, quote, memory trick for an undisciplined candidate. was that your thinking when you came up with this? i mean, tell the story. i'm going to give you the platform to tell us how this all came about. >> this was an...

And so keith schiller had no choice but to admit to that unless he wanted to put himself into a perjury box. he pulled the old selective memory trick. yeah, i remember he what everybody else remembered about the offer. i do remember when we went back to the hotel room no, one will be able to testify to that. it was just me, president trump some russians who are never going to testify to that. >> to me, this is extremely disturbing. >> so i think what we want to look at here is why trump had this offer in the first place. and when investigators are looking is that this 2013 trip to moscow, they...