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The might not have been the wisest move on the part of president trump. >> over the week you responded to the president's tweets saying he won't die hards but fence sitting ones will decide if he gets a second term. it's interesting to me what he tweeted it wasn't the worst thing in terms of insults he's ever tweeted about somebody. what about it made you think about that. >> it's a pile on situation. it's kindergarten stuff. he's done it before. we know about that. we can list all of them. the truth of the matter is that this is piling up with fence city evangelicals. they have to decide if t...

The kind of point you have been making with the tweets you send is the administration shouldn't take evangelicals for granted. that the percentage he got there are a certain number of percentage of the percentage who voted for him the 81% of the evangelical who went to the poll. who voted for trump. some are fence sitters. and this cumulative effect could hurt trump. if they turn against him. >> yeah. tlast that's a distinct possibility. here's the other part the important part. there's a lot of evangelicals that didn't vote for trump in 2016. those folks will see a lot of the actions in the f...

Think they know right now. so some of this is wishful thinking. so when the president goes out and repeats these talking points, no collusion and so on, that is based on essentially redacted documents coming from the special counsel's office, some of which we saw friday night. so at this point i think a lot of this goes back to what donald rumsfeld back during the bush administration, there are no knowns and no unknowns, and at this point people inside the white house recognize they just don't know what robert mueller is going to do and they can base what they think going to happen at this poi...

>> i wonder what you make of that. does it behoove democrats at all at this point to be talking about possible prison time once they leave office? >> i don't think it's unreasonable to make clear what the president himself has said, what democrats and republicans alike say over and over and to make sure it has meaning, that no one is above the law. if the president engaged in felonies, if he committed felonies in order to win the white house, further if he committed felonies to cover up those crimes in order to win the white house, then those felonies, if it turns out that that's what happened...

But to say they are simple contracts between two people is far, far from the truth. >> steve, do you believe these were simple private transactions? >> i agree with jeffrey. i have to push back on that point because i think had these been revealed, and we don't know of course, it's a hypothetical. let's say it had been revealed, let's say mcdougal a decade before said she had an affair with then candidate trump. do you really believe that would have swayed the election. none of us on team trump or the 63 million who voted for him thought they were voting for francis of assisi. >> why didn't th...