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Individuals, for example, and they are not open to that. what do you say? >> we are not the sip california conservative group. we would not classify ourselves as conservative, we are independent. we think that loopholes should be something that are addressed. with not now? >> congress has spent so much money, we are $15 trillion in debt, and under president bush the debt increased by $5 trillion and under president obama it has increased $4 trillion so we have a problem, a mentality problem. >>neil: you are saying stop this nonsense, democrats and republicans. >>guest: we need to be more sane ...

Debt. >>guest: we are just days away from having our nation's debt hit $15 trillion, very sad fact and what is happening here is we are trying to solve the problem with monetary policy which, you know, is putting back the day of reckoning and until we get our fiscal house in order and until greece gets its fiscal house in order and europe gets their fiscal house in order that is all we are doing putting off the reckoning. >>neil: we benefit because we are the least smelly sunk, hardly an endorsement but compared to the problems that europe is dealing with right new, we kind of stand tall, is t...

Of 45,000 to 48,000 a year and those getting social security here more like $26,000 a year so we would be holing up a system, and rescuing even indirectly through the world bank, which we are big contributors, a system that is far more generous than our own system with money it doesn't have. >>guest: and at some point the germans will refuse to do that and here is the problem. greece when they hit their debt crisis and even right now they are at $480 billion, 3 percent of our debt, so, the e.u. can back stop the debt. no one can become top the united states' debt so we have to start seriously ...