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Many as one member of congress stood up and called for that action at the time. >> okay. not my job. >> he got the exact opposite response. now, one of the reasons for that was by the mere act of asking congress made congress and the american people think that he was aiming to do something far. >> he had the power as you know to order a military attack and bomb their air force and destroy their planes and did he not do it and that's what he should have done. >> hindsight is always 2020. >> no hindsight, i said it at the time. i said it the day. no hindsight. second thing is a refugee problem i...

Great satan. she said we face a new level of viciousness. so to you and others who are opposed to these programs, she's saying that's got to be more important. >> yeah, and to me that is a false choice. in fact, i remember hearing president obama campaigning on the false choice, the bush administration was positioning when they were trying to do this very same thing. i think it's really important for us to realize that it's possible for us to have security while also not overstepping our right to privacy. >> can we do it without -- i mean, as i've listen toed to you and others who oppose these...

For us to realize that it's possible for us to have security while also not overstepping our right to privacy. >> can we do it without -- i mean, as i've listened to you and others who oppose these programs, the thing is the bulk collection. it's all the metadata. if the government committed to having a huge database with our information, now, look, there has not been evidence of abuse even if you think that mere act is abusive, the collecting all of that data. >> indeed. but i would not like to have that hanging over my head. i think it is absolutely possible for the nsa to do their job witho...

Pockets. it looks like stop and frisk, the mere act of which shows who is the boss and who says you're clean. well, that's what this subcommittee of i.c.e. is up to trying to make noise so people will think they're doing something up there on capital little, which everyone knows they're not. >> earl, to mention stop and frisk as we know it's being challenged. many people taking issue that minorities being targeted, blacks and latinos when they are, quote unquote, suspicious and in many cases as chris pointed out, go through your pockets. is that how it you see what's happening today with this ...

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