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Conspiracy that was against my presidency involving apparently andrew mccabe and jim comey. andrew mccabe the current deputy director of the fbi james comey. so i think that phrase, which i haven't heard before, fight back, is going to be an important part of his defense to object instruction of justice, which may be the most legal peril he's n even more than the whole collusion. >> that's an important point. the president could argue his lawyers could argue, you can call it obstruction of justice. we are calling it fighting back. >> and this is a message not to us, a mess hague to the america...

And even if he says sometimes a shutdown could be a good thing it is never a good thing. because the people who voted for him, forgotten man and any other person who works for the federal government, or has some kind of relation to the federal government where they are paid, there is a problem here. and politics is personal. and that's as personal as it gets. >> right. and even if you get back pay you pretty much always do in this case. the point is you are sending a mess hague it was fine for you not to get the money for people living paycheck to paycheck. you are sending a message what you t...

And it's possible that could counter a counteract a lot of the energy. >> 2018 will be so great for the dems they don't need a mess hague. does anyone buy this? >> no, i don't think so. i think it's better if there is a message. and if there is a contrast. one thing i'll say though following what pamela said. i think the republican tax bill is taking a gamble in a couple of ways. one is we are getting ee norm sus deficit increase at a time of full employment and ha is the wrong time to do it but it create a sugar high in the economy followed by a massive collapse. it's possible that sugar high...