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Particularly retailers will understand that starbucks is to some extent operating as a pace horse, a pacesetter it's not going to go away by ignore it. it's not going to dissipate, and if the country as a hole, has to recognize that it exists in the workplace i think when we talk about businesses in the 21st century, they need to recognize the role they have when it comes to corporate social responsibility. this is what this is about. >> we have about 30 seconds, if this is happening at a business, the msnbc town hall outside of that environment, how do you translate the conversation. that's i...

The town hall and engage in conversations with their family about the biases that people come into any situation, including young people. there is not just an old problem. in this era of trump, we have seen a rise of this kind of racial prejudgment that's now encouraged by the actionses in oval office. we need a real action, and it's an opportunity for people to sit with their families and talk about this. thanks to both of you. >> thank you. and a special programming note about that town hall. that conversation will be right here on msnbc tuesday at 9:00 k p.m. we'll be right back. welcom...

Welcome back. president trump says lives have been devastated and destroyed by the russia probe. in a tweets today, again calling the investigation a phony wit witch-hunt, and rudy giuliani making the media rounds today, saying the president would sit down to talk about the investigation, as long as there was no perjury trap. >> we're not going to sit him down if there's a trap for perjury. until we're convinced of that, and if they don't show us these documents, we're just going to have to say no. let me emphasize, he wants to explain he did nothing wrong. it's us the lawyers who have to conv...

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