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It didn't work out so well. i don't think the vision of nationalism bepeople like banno are pushing is ever going to be free of the taint of naked racism. >> do you think it's fair to put them in the same category? >> i would say my take is not that he cares or that trump cares, but my view of bannon is he's on probation. i haven't heard him say anything. i have not heard stievereven ba say anything i would describe as racist. he has said he wants the site he ran, breitbart to be the platform for the alt-right. that's concerning to me. it's something that i think we need to keep an eye on. he ...

So many people were offended by that, but also the trump supporters and conservatives really liked what he had to say about black america because he talks personal responsibility. >> right. >> and that message is really something conservatives like. >> and that's something ben carson has been speaking, and what speaker ryan said today, he is someone that believes in dignity, not dependence. >> i can't remember the last black hud secretary, i get the analogy you're trying to make. >> saying he lived in a housing -- >> so he is someone who has said that the sort of long-term dependence of people...

Combined with media attention gave them kind of this opportunity to try to get their word out, and we at texas a.m. stood together to get our word out that we stand for our core values. >> amy, thank you. i appreciate it. >> thank you, don. >> straight ahead, should a white supremacist be allowed to speak at a public university, and is a white supremacist message appealing to some college student? we'll talk about it next. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.

Message j but the texas of the university saying the right of free speech must be respected. i want to bring in this chief marketing and communications officer at the university. amy, thank you for coming on. this is an important subject. the university is being blasted for allowing richard spencer for coming to speak. what's your response to this criticism? >> don, no member of our campus, our students, our faculty, professors, student groups, invited this speaker to campus. he was not invited by us but by a private citizen who booked a public room that gets booked for boy scout meetings and ...

>> i think what the president saw in ben carson leading hud is going to be able to carry thes a separational message to every community in this country and create the vision for renewing our cities. >> i think dr. ben carson was like a hero for so many young people across the country. people everywhere that wanted to grow up and be doctors and neuro surgeons, but dr. carson like donald trump is unqualified for the position he's seeking. he said it himself, not himself, but -- someone noticed dr. carson didn't think he was kw qualified to run an agency, now he's qualified to run a hud hud. >> h...