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Know a more modernized strategy of messaging towards living with the virus as opposed to saying, it's not going to stay and we can defeat it permanently? >> you know, again, ayman, i don't think it's a messaging thing. i think it's a matter of success will speak for itself. and, you know, as we discussed it is- it's a bit unfair because this is largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated now. so you have republicans criticizing him for failing to eradicate a virus that they themselves are causing to have a more of an impact on the united states because they are encouraging people into the not to ge...

Think they dodged the question. that will be a real fire storm for them because each of the military projects has constituencies in congress who want to say we're taking care of military housing in wisconsin and people once they realize the detailed plans of that, there will be backlash from democrats and republicans on the hill. >> is it a messaging thing, they don't plan on getting to the point of dealing with what would be hugely unpop lair issue that would come out? are they assuming this gets hung up and it appears president trump is doing something? >> you heard the president there in th...

They will sign. >> reporter: this is the point. democrats will do this as a messaging thing. democrats will say we passed something to open the government and now we leave it to you mitch mcconnell and the senate and donald trump in the white house to decide what you're willing to accept. it will make the argument that democrats are here to govern and put even more pressure on republicans to decide what they want to accept. the dynamic here at the end is interesting. if you listen to every one the white house has put out over the last couple of days to talk about this, they blame this on nancy...

Contributions. i think that's so important. it's a messaging thing, too. it's not just the money. it's keeping in touch with the single mom who's working two jobs to keep, you know, the household going or the family who's saving for college. it's a great way to stay connected and keep them thinking about the future and what's at stake in 2020. >> let me turn quickly to katherine or aaron. one or two sentences. i wanted to get to you on hickenlooper, your organization reporting on his. >> the ap is reporting that hickenlooper is making new moves in terms of interviewing staffers. >> just like w...

Political hand at his side. no self-respecting politician who understands messaging and the roll of that office would allow what is coming out of it in terms of the rhetoric. republican or democrat. >> chris, you want to call kellyanne weak, that's fine. i think she's a strong woman. >> i didn't say it. you're not the coms director. you're not great at this messaging thing. you throw stuff out there with no basis in fact. >> you said no basis in fact. >> i'm watching the great debate tonight. >> you said the president doesn't have anybody strong next to him. >> i said kellyanne our mutual frie...