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Reporting come out from bob woodward and robert costa and you see now that people were actually thinking about your uncle in the terms that you had been thinking about him before he even became a politician, and you see paul ryan doing this psychiatric homework on your uncle, did you feel -- you must have felt very frustrated about at least publicly how long it took them to catch on to just how far gone he was. >> yeah. it honestly, lawrence, mystifies me because it's not as if donald has a poker face, you know? he's exactly who he is. he has no private self. he's all what we call false self. ...

Love to defy presidents of their own party and other parties, just if nothing else to show how powerful they were. and in washington, among republican men, suddenly the male ego evaporated in the face of donald trump. and i've never had a satisfactory explanation of that. >> well, i think that is true in some cases. in some cases, i think it's also true that there are many elective republicans who absolutely agree with donald and his hateful rhetoric. and then i think people like mitch mcconnell are playing a long game. and as representative jeffries said earlier, he sees donald as an opportun...

Exit strategy not just from the speakership, not just from the house of representatives, but from politics entirely and land as softly and as richly as he could on corporate boards like fox news. now, that was apparently his -- his route of moral responsibility that he found for himself. >> yeah. i guess he just found it too difficult to stay in the fight and try to save his party from its worst instincts, which obviously were championed by donald. so the problem is because potentially moderating influences -- and i'm not suggesting that he ultimately would have been, but at the time, the beli...

Shocking but not surprising. one of the things they are talking about is paul ryan was allegedly found flat-footed after the election, when anybody who is paying attention, anybody with some odd of intelligence and who had met donald for five minutes would have known what a deeply psychologically distorted person he was. so for paul ryan to have waited for donald to be in the oval office before doing his homework, and attempting to put up safeguards long after he actually could've done something to make a difference, is a testament to how we got to where we are. that the kind of fecklessness o...

Tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. and joining us now is mary trump, the author of the book "the reckoning: our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal." thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. i'm eager to get your reaction to the woodward and costa account of paul ryan doing his psychiatric homework on narcissistic personality disorder during the presidential transition as he was trying to figure out president-elect donald trump. >> as is often the case, it's shocking but not surprising. one of the things that's shocking about it is that paul ryan was allegedly fo...