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Trump in the past few months. so i think that whether those things that thomas talks about, the meth addictions, the opiate addictions, the wage stagnation. if those things move in the right direction, a lot of people won't care who the labor secretary is. >> a lot of this is aspirational, maybe not caught up so much. both you have written so effectively about. not caught up so much about trade policy as they are being aspirational. they look at donald trump. he's a huge success financially speaking and they say, i want to be like that. i'm going to cast my lot with donald trump whether or not...

Labor secretary. >> jd, respond to that. thomas makes the point that the labor secretary nominee is not someone supportive of, for example, a minimum wage. will those folks who are in that very dark and shaded part of the country get the relief they're looking for? >> well, i think a lot of folks in that part of the country when they think of the labor secretary they're probably more unset about his views on immigration than the minimum wage and we can sort of figure out which is more important from the perspective of low wage worker, but i really think that ultimately these voters are going t...