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Lanes to the george washington bridge last september, in what appears to be an effort to intentionally cause those traffic problems for ft. lee. they went on for four days plus. mr. wildstein sat at the witness table in the new jersey legislature last week, refusing to talk, knowing that committee could hold him in contempt for his refusal. that contempt charge has now been referred to a nnk county prosecutor. but it's interesting, the threat of being prosecuted for contempt didn't seem to scare david wildstein into talking, right? he knew that was a possibility when he was claiming the fifth....

When he was claiming the fifth. didn't make him talk. david wildstein and his lawyer told the assembly that day, though, that what they were holding out for, if they really wanted him to talk, was something bigger. >> there are interesting questions raised by who in the governor's office knew about the plan to close the lanes or divert the lanes, who was involved, what did they know, when did they know it. and just as equally, who was involved, what did they know, when did they know it when the effort was made to craft an explanation for the lane closure. and so, those documents only tell part...

Citizens or groups because of their political views is not a phony scandal? could we just get that on the table from you? >> well, if that's what happened, sure. if the fec knows about tax exempt money being used on behalf of partisan candidates, they should tell the irs that because it's not legal. >> is that why lois lerner pleaded the fifth? >> there's only one problem with that. that's against the law. >> steve, let him talk. >> go ahead. >> it's not a citizen. it's two governmental agencies. there's specific provisions that prohibit it with groups like the fec. the fec is not exempt. it's...

Campaigns. >> no, i'm not. >> yes, you are. that's what you're defending. >> i'm defending the law. millions of dollars. >> you know what, steve? it was president obama who came out and said -- you know, steve, president obama came out and said this is outrageous, this is wrong, people will be held accountable. >> steve, steve, steve -- guys, hang on a second, guys, wait a minute. >> they are wrong. >> steve, let him finish his thought and then you get to speak. back to jay. jay, finish your thought. come on. >> go ahead, jay. >> okay. so it's very clear. the irs despite steve's protests to do...

Citizens or groups because of their political views is not a phony scandal? could we just get that on the table from you? >> well, if that's what happened, sure. if the fec knows about tax exempt money being used on behalf of partisan candidates, they should tell the irs that because it's not legal. >> is that why lois lerner pleaded the fifth? >> there's only one problem with that. that's against the law. >> steve, let him talk. >> go ahead. >> it's not a citizen. it's two governmental agencies. there's specific provisions that prohibit it with groups like the fec. the fec is not exempt. it's...