Camphell always be with them, because as mr campbell said. always be with them, because as mr campbell said. it always be with them, because as mr campbell said, it takes always be with them, because as mr campbell said, it takes a always be with them, because as mr campbell said, it takes a long - always be with them, because as mr campbell said, it takes a long time i campbell said, it takes a long time for animals campbell said, it takes a long time for animals to campbell said, it takes a long time for animals to evolve. campbell said, it takes a long time for animals to evolve. left - campbell said, it takes a long time for animals to evolve. campbell said, it takes a long time for animals to evolve. let me bring in mark in manchester, for animals to evolve. let me bring in mark in manchester, and - for animals to evolve. let me bring in mark in manchester, and ben i in mark in manchester, and ben newman, spokesperson for animal rising. sandy, do stick around. we ve got chloe coming up, we got joe in north london coming up. how are you doing, mark? goad joe in north london coming up. how are you doing, mark? i are you doing, mark? good morning. i would like you are you doing, mark? good morning. i would like you to are you doing, mark? good morning. i would like you to speak are you doing, mark? good morning. i would like you to speak to are you doing, mark? good morning. i would like you to speak to ben - would like you to speak to ben newman, i know that you have reservations. are you still with us, ben, ready to go to answer mark? mark, meet ben. mark? my ben, ready to go to answer mark? mark, meet ben. mark? ben, ready to go to answer mark? mark, meet ben. mark? my point was the nature of mark, meet ben. mark? my point was the nature of the mark, meet ben. mark? my point was the nature of the protest. mark, meet ben. mark? my point was the nature of the protest. since - mark, meet ben. mark? my point was the nature of the protest. since the i the nature of the protest. since the grand the nature of the protest. since the grand national the nature of the protest. since the grand national was the nature of the protest. since the grand national was modified - the nature of the protest. since the grand national was modified to- the nature of the protest. since the grand national was modified to ten| grand national was modified to ten years grand national was modified to ten years ago. grand national was modified to ten years ago. the grand national was modified to ten years ago, the renewal grand national was modified to ten years ago, the renewal of- grand national was modified to ten years ago, the renewal of the - grand national was modified to teni years ago, the renewal of the grand national. years ago, the renewal of the grand national. there years ago, the renewal of the grand national, there have years ago, the renewal of the grand national, there have been - years ago, the renewal of the grand national, there have been 17 - years ago, the renewal of the grand national, there have been 17 falls i national, there have been 17 falls or people national, there have been 17 falls or people unseated national, there have been 17 falls or people unseated at national, there have been 17 falls or people unseated at the - national, there have been 17 falls or people unseated at the first. national, there have been 17 fallsl or people unseated at the first two fences, or people unseated at the first two fences, there or people unseated at the first two fences, there was or people unseated at the first two fences, there was three or people unseated at the first two fences, there was three in- or people unseated at the first two fences, there was three in 2015. i fences, there was three in 2015. this year fences, there was three in 2015.
Charity set up to try to does happen more now. there are charity set up to try to find - charity set up to try to find racehorses charity set up to try to find racehorses that charity set up to try to find racehorses that don t - charity set up to try to find racehorses that don t suit, j charity set up to try to find - racehorses that don t suit, find them racehorses that don t suit, find them another racehorses that don t suit, find them anotherjob. racehorses that don t suit, find them anotherjob. but - racehorses that don t suit, find them anotherjob. but were . racehorses that don t suit, find - them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i would them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i would say them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i would say that them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i would say that 40 them anotherjob. but were nearly 70 years i would say that 40 horses - years i would say that 40 horses going years i would say that 40 horses going at years i would say that 40 horses going at full years i would say that 40 horses going at full speed years i would say that 40 horses going at full speed over- years i would say that 40 horses - going at full speed over forethought hi-h going at full speed over forethought high fences, going at full speed over forethought high fences, they going at full speed over forethought high fences, they are going at full speed over forethought high fences, they are not going at full speed over forethought high fences, they are not just - going at full speed over forethought high fences, they are notjust high, | high fences, they are notjust high, they are high fences, they are notjust high, they are wired. high fences, they are notjust high, they are wired, and high fences, they are notjust high, they are wired, and i high fences, they are notjust high, they are wired, and i believe - high fences, they are notjust high, they are wired, and i believe therei they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch on they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch on it. they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch on it, which they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch on it, which one - they are wired, and i believe there is a ditch on it, which one horse i is a ditch on it, which one horse drowned is a ditch on it, which one horse drowned in. is a ditch on it, which one horse drowned in, many is a ditch on it, which one horse drowned in, many years - is a ditch on it, which one horse drowned in, many years ago, i is a ditch on it, which one horse i drowned in, many years ago, when is a ditch on it, which one horse - drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger i m drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger. i m afraid drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger. i m afraid i drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger. i m afraid ijust - drowned in, many years ago, when i was younger. i m afraid ijust don t i was younger. i m afraid ijust don t think. was younger. i m afraid ijust don t think. if was younger. i m afraid ijust don t think. if people was younger. i m afraid ijust don t think, if people want was younger. i m afraid ijust don t i think, if people want entertainment, there think, if people want entertainment, there are think, if people want entertainment, there are better think, if people want entertainment, there are better ways think, if people want entertainment, there are better ways of think, if people want entertainment, there are better ways of doing - think, if people want entertainment, there are better ways of doing it - there are better ways of doing it than there are better ways of doing it than putting there are better ways of doing it than putting animals there are better ways of doing it than putting animals through . there are better ways of doing it . than putting animals through that. that is than putting animals through that. that is my than putting animals through that. that is my opinion. than putting animals through that. that is my opinion. than putting animals through that. that is my opinion.- this i that is my opinion. sandy? this fliuht that is my opinion. sandy? this flight thing that is my opinion. sandy? this flight thing is that is my opinion. sandy? this flight thing is something - that is my opinion. sandy? this flight thing is something that i flight thing is something that continually comes up, it is true that continually comes up, it is true that when continually comes up, it is true that when horses roam the plains, they were that when horses roam the plains, they were in groups and flight. but we have they were in groups and flight. but we have moved on since then, and all animals we have moved on since then, and all animals evolve. i do not actually agree animals evolve. i do not actually agree with animals evolve. i do not actually agree with the point that the flight argument that is brought up. what
Numbers, an average of two in the last ten years, and this numbers, an average of two in the last ten years, and this year- last ten years, and this year there were last ten years, and this year there were eight. last ten years, and this year there were eight. only last ten years, and this year there were eight, only one last ten years, and this year there were eight, only one thing - were eight, only one thing different this year were eight, only one thing different this year was were eight, only one thing different this year was the were eight, only one thing different this year was the destruction, - were eight, only one thing different this year was the destruction, withl this year was the destruction, with the protests this year was the destruction, with the protests beforehand, - this year was the destruction, with the protests beforehand, do- this year was the destruction, with the protests beforehand, do you i this year was the destruction, with i the protests beforehand, do you not think it the protests beforehand, do you not think it would the protests beforehand, do you not think it would have the protests beforehand, do you not think it would have been the protests beforehand, do you not think it would have been better- the protests beforehand, do you not think it would have been better to. think it would have been better to have a think it would have been better to have a peaceful think it would have been better to have a peaceful protest think it would have been better to have a peaceful protest outside? i have a peaceful protest outside? everybody have a peaceful protest outside? everybody has have a peaceful protest outside? everybody has the have a peaceful protest outside? everybody has the right - have a peaceful protest outside? everybody has the right to - have a peaceful protest outside? i everybody has the right to protest, but to everybody has the right to protest, but to do everybody has the right to protest, but to do that everybody has the right to protest, but to do that when everybody has the right to protest, but to do that when the everybody has the right to protest, but to do that when the horses - but to do that when the horses already but to do that when the horses already in. but to do that when the horses already in. to but to do that when the horses already in, to attempt - but to do that when the horses already in, to attempt to - but to do that when the horses already in, to attempt to stopl already in, to attempt to stop the race, already in, to attempt to stop the race, unsuccessfully, already in, to attempt to stop the race, unsuccessfully, i already in, to attempt to stop the race, unsuccessfully, i can t- already in, to attempt to stop the race, unsuccessfully, i can t helpl race, unsuccessfully, i can t help but think race, unsuccessfully, i can t help but think that race, unsuccessfully, i can t help but think that caused race, unsuccessfully, i can t help but think that caused more - but think that caused more disruption but think that caused more disruption and but think that caused more disruption and ultimately l but think that caused more i disruption and ultimately it s contributed disruption and ultimately it s contributed to disruption and ultimately it s contributed to the disruption and ultimately it s contributed to the death - disruption and ultimately it s contributed to the death of. disruption and ultimately it s i contributed to the death of the horse contributed to the death of the horse. lt contributed to the death of the horse. , , ., , , , contributed to the death of the horse. , , ., horse. it is impossible to say with absolute certainty. horse. it is impossible to say with absolute certainty. people - horse. it is impossible to say with absolute certainty. people are - absolute certainty. people are really upset that a horse died. there were people crying afterwards as a result of horse dying. latte there were people crying afterwards as a result of horse dying. as a result of horse dying. we heard how u set as a result of horse dying. we heard how upset it as a result of horse dying. we heard how upset it sandy as a result of horse dying. we heard how upset it sandy was, as a result of horse dying. we heard how upset it sandy was, what - as a result of horse dying. we heard how upset it sandy was, what do i as a result of horse dying. we heard| how upset it sandy was, what do you think about what he said, that it was devastating for him and everybody involved with hill sixteen as well? what did you think of what we heard sandy actually speaking to
Ben, my condolences, losing your horse, hill sixteen? h0. ben, my condolences, losing your horse, hill sixteen? horse, hill sixteen? no, sorry, sandy lost horse, hill sixteen? no, sorry, sandy lost his horse, hill sixteen? no, sorry, sandy lost his horse. horse, hill sixteen? no, sorry, sandy lost his horse. sorry, - horse, hill sixteen? no, sorry, i sandy lost his horse. sorry, then it s a spokesperson sandy lost his horse. sorry, then it s a spokesperson for sandy lost his horse. sorry, then it s a spokesperson for animal i it s a spokesperson for animal rising. slight confusion. tell me about hill sixteen and his personality? about hill sixteen and his ersonali ? , , , personality? yes, we probably bought him the sails personality? yes, we probably bought him the sails about personality? yes, we probably bought him the sails about a personality? yes, we probably bought him the sails about a couple - personality? yes, we probably bought him the sails about a couple of - him the sails about a couple of years him the sails about a couple of years ago. him the sails about a couple of years ago, had been underperforming, he had years ago, had been underperforming, he had come years ago, had been underperforming, he had come to us 18 months ago, and he had come to us 18 months ago, and he was he had come to us 18 months ago, and he was second in a race over the aintree he was second in a race over the aintree fences. the owner s dream was always aintree fences. the owner s dream was always to run him in the grand nationah was always to run him in the grand national. and that has been the plan all season national. and that has been the plan all season. so it was a great thrill for everybody to get the horse to the race for everybody to get the horse to the race. there are a lot of hoops to the race. there are a lot of hoops tojump the race. there are a lot of hoops tojump through, continual vetting,
Hill sixteen? i do we heard sandy actually speaking to hill sixteen? hill sixteen? i do empathise with sand as hill sixteen? i do empathise with sandy as a hill sixteen? i do empathise with sandy as a person, hill sixteen? i do empathise with sandy as a person, of hill sixteen? i do empathise with sandy as a person, of course. - hill sixteen? i do empathise with sandy as a person, of course. at| hill sixteen? i do empathise with i sandy as a person, of course. at the horse should not have been running the race in the first place. as sandy described, it was running the race because the previous owner wanted them to, the real reason they were running is so that people could bet on the horse, so jockeys could make money and people could have a fun day out, that doesn t sound like a good enough reason to put the animal in harm s way. a good enough reason to put the animal in harm s way. sandy, do you want to come animal in harm s way. sandy, do you want to come back? animal in harm s way. sandy, do you want to come back? we animal in harm s way. sandy, do you want to come back? we know- animal in harm s way. sandy, do you want to come back? we know what i want to come back? we know what animal rising want to come back? we know what animal rising are, want to come back? we know what animal rising are, let s want to come back? we know what animal rising are, let s be - want to come back? we know what animal rising are, let s be straightj animal rising are, let s be straight about animal rising are, let s be straight about am animal rising are, let s be straight about a. ~ ., ., animal rising are, let s be straight abouta. ~ ., ., animal rising are, let s be straight about a. ~ ., ., ., animal rising are, let s be straight about a - lfl animal rising are, let s be straight i about a. if you about a. what do you mean? if you to to the about a. what do you mean? if you go to the website, about a. what do you mean? if you go to the website, they about a. what do you mean? if you go to the website, they are - about a. .. what do you mean? if you go to the website, they are all- go to the website, they are all about, go to the website, they are all about, i vejust go to the website, they are all about, i ve just looked at their website, about, i ve just looked at their website, it is all about having a plant website, it is all about having a plant based diet. they ve actually ust plant based diet. they ve actually just used plant based diet. they ve actually just used saturday as a big sporting occasionm just used saturday as a big sporting occasion. ~ ., , ., just used saturday as a big sporting occasion- - - occasion. what is wrong with havint occasion. what is wrong with havin: a occasion. what is wrong with having a plant occasion. what is wrong with having a plant -based - occasion. what is wrong with having a plant -based diet? i occasion. what is wrong with l having a plant -based diet? are occasion. what is wrong with - having a plant -based diet? are you having a plant based diet? are you not conflating two things? hear
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