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Who are beholden to their shareholders and their customers produce goods overseas. because the american people said i want goods cheap and i want them fast. >> let me agree with michael for a second. i think our corporate tax code is very much in need of reform. i don't think it helps us that our corporate statutory rate is the highest in the world. and i would bring that down. and by the way, president obama proposed the same thing. however, that's not what we're talking about here. we're not talking about tax reform. we're talking about tax cuts. as you heard, ali in his introduction, we're ...

Presidents and what you're doing there is saying i'm at the top. even if you say he's not at the top you're still on that scale. that scale sets up a frame in which he is one of better presidents. even if he's lower down on the scale. >> fascinating. >> he's doing preemptive framing in using that what he calls truthful hyberbole. >> i'm going to pause here. michael was saying this is distractions from other big stories. i have to take break because our next block is about russia. thank you both. i'd love to have you back. coming up, how do you know if a russian spy is trying to recruit you? ...

One was political? >> when you live by the metaphor that the president is the nation then that follows. leak that threatens the security of the president is leak that is threatening national security and is criminal. it's unpatriotic. >> let me bring in michael for a second. put that in the context with the vulgari vulgarity. >> it's fantastic show biz. that's it. it's for us to educate the public that's what's happening. yesterday is now already forgotten. transban and the military which was not real. it was a fake statement that the

>> it's clear that he's not just any other staff. he's a friend. and is he going to be able to use his season personal relationship with president trump to transform the kind of release ship the president has with his communications team. >> why donald trump is likely to like anthony scaramucci as much as he does. but i want to go to michael for a second. michael, you know, the questions on russia, sarah huckabee sanders didn't take. anthony didn't take. but then somebody asked a question about whether he's got, you know, faith in the hr mcmaster and sarah's answer was i have no reason to beli...

The reality out in the street and those who are really affected by it right now, they couldn't care less about those words. and what is needed is right now response of the first responders, response by the public, yes, by government, and ultimately by the society at large. >> let me really defend michael for a second. let me jump in on your side -- >> can i jump in response now? >> yeah. >> it is a political issue. it is a politicized issue and we're talking, you know, in the context of what the right solutions are, and i just want to say and be very, very sort of strident about this is that n...