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Stuff no one else is willing to do. that's how he got into donald trump's good graces, whether that's paying off stormy daniels or this conversation about karen macdougal, we know that's cohen's role. let's see what else is in those. again to dana's point, cohen's conversations with other people, there's potential for significant embarrassment, who knows about legal exposure. but significant embarrassment here. the fact that michael cohen was willing to secretly record these against a guy he said he would take a bullet for speaks to the fact that michael cohen may not be as loyal now at least ...

Chief white house correspondent. a couple of other panelists to bring in, dana bash with the scoop, and chris cillizza is with us. cnn politics and editor at large. michael geragos is here, one of our favorite lawyers who we have lots and lots of questions for. dana, first to you. you have this reporting on the president's response to learning this tape exists and that it surfaced, the whole i can't believe michael would do this to me. tell me more about how the white house is responding. >> we haven't heard formally from the white house, but we are hearing from the president's attorneys, incl...