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In the sense that we have to determine from the transcript and hopefully from other witnesses whether this statement was part of an actual quid pro quo. i guess the threshold question, if the president said i'd like you to do these investigations, and by the way i don't group them together, in my testimony i distinguish between the request for investigation into 2016 from the investigation of the bidens. but it is an issue of order. the magnitude of order constitutionally if you ask i'd like to see you do this as opposed to i have a quid pro quo, you either do this or you don't get military ai...

Impeachab impeachable. this is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a constitution including impeachment to protect against. and if there is no action, if congress concludes that they will give a pass to the president here, as professor karlan suggested earlier, every other president will say then i can do the same thing and boundaries will evaporate. and those boundaries are set up by the constitution and we may be witnessing unfortunately their erosion. and that is a danger to all of us. >> that was professor michael gerhardt one of the witnesses testifying today in the house ju...

Longer this goes on, the more obvious it is that they have got nothing. i mean, that they are relying on bullying and intimidation, they are relying on sort of their positions of you power to make arguments that really don't hold up. >> two points on that. one, a lot of talk about the founders, how the founders rolled. they were pretty tough. they settled things with duals. >> oh, yeah, they did. >> and the professor struck that note because i thought the professor was kicking it off basically saying don't start none and there won't be none. but i'm prepared to fight you on all the facts as ne...