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Where there is that's the bigger issue, and as a family law attorney that's what i'm concerned with. the children that were there and could have been dmaut a crossfire possibly. >> there's a point. the children thankfully were not hit. some parents were there. i they the children were gone at the time. if are you a parent with a child there, do you have any legal recourse? >> well, i think you do, because, you know, you have people coming on the property with guns, and if i'm sending my child to that facility, i want to know before i send them there that they're not going to be any guns on the...

Permits to carry weapons there. here's some of the 911 call. >> that's my dad. i don't know if he is okay. wron if he is okay. please hurry. please hurry. >> we are. we're sending help. we're sending help. what's your name? >> he is upstairs in the office. >> oh, boy. let's talk about this with jennifer brant, family law attorney and michael gotlib, also a trial attorney. both of the men had permits to carry consealed weapons. i'm going to start with you on this one. was that pastor within his legal rights to defend himself if someone is shooting at him he is going to pull his gun out and shoo...

Granted and his original decision is overturned. i tend to think he should have waited. >> okay. so michael, what do you say? what if the appeals court comes back and says no, you actually can have a change of venue, can you move this trial out of massachusetts. >> you know the question is really is there a venue in the united states, let alone the world, that has not heard about the boston bombing? i mean i just don't think that moving it is going to necessarily aid the defense at this point in time, and that's unfortunate, but everybody has heard of it, and the people who haven't do we reall...