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It. >> it doesn't tp and it's just a courteous way of saying no thank you to representing the president. you can say i have a conflict. it's hard for me to keep a straight face thinking about spanky at this point. i just -- i can't believe we talk about this. but. >> yes welcome to my world, michael. >> i get it. i'm with you. i mean, the deal is this. you need a lawyer to come in who can tell you the truth. you hire a lawyer that you get along with, a lawyer with a spirit of cooperation, you need to be to jihad with trump. he will fire you and yell at you and throw you under the bus. at the e...

Typically representing the president of the united states is a frustrate honor. i think it's general i been the feather in the cap of many attorneys in the past. i think what we see here is that the reputation of donald trump is such that a lot of lawyers would rather not represent him. and given the fact that he doesn't always pay legal fees, that is a very big problem. i will tell you that, you know, you are always a lawyer thinking about when you are bringing in a new client their ability to pay. and if a lawyer -- if a client stiffs his lawyers essentially the lawyer is putting himself in ...

What we're seeing here is that the reputation of donald trump is such that a lot of lawyers would rather not represent him. and given the fact that he doesn't always pay legal fees, that is is a very big problem. i will tell you that you are always a lawyer thinking about when you're bringing in a new client their ability to pay. and if a client stiffs his lawyer, essentially the lawyer has put himself or herself in a position where you've essentially made a loan to from your firm's funds and your searle, your bonus at the end of the year is going to reflect that shortfall. >> let's bring in m...

>> are you worried about michael in? yea >> michael, i don't know -- >> i'm going to bring in a federal prosecutor who los hals expertise. does your lawyer think what you're doing is a good idea? >> i don't know. i think he may drop me. i know my father -- >> i think your father wants you home for thanksgiving and you should testify. >> do you know what's ridiculous in. >> it is so not ridiculous -- >> i talk to roger 15 times a day. >> if you have e-mail exchanges with him during the period that is under investigation, with people who have clearly been implicated in some way, that doesn't mea...

Anything about the flynn firing that comey testified to. a one on within setup. >> but that's not what he said in introduce. he said he didn't recall having that conversation. >> i understand that. but comey has said he flat-out said it. so now you've got the issue joined. and someone is going to be telling the truth and someone is not going to be telling the truth. >> thank you, michael. thank you, matthew. i appreciate it. when we come back, a senator stands up in defense of a senator running against him. she was under attack for being muslim there she is. i'm going to speak with her live....