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Secretive and political. there's a real problem if we allow our public officials to determine which communications from them that we get to see. michael's point, the key point that michael made was that the clinton people state, and obama administration will come back and say she sent them to public accounts and caught up in the drag mail. no that's their statement. we need to know if they sent them to private people diplomats. we need to see the e-mail. >> let's take it out of the clinton narrative and let's not go there and pile on. if samantha power it was discovered this or john kerry, we ...

Workers. i think it makes sense in politics and economics and that intersection isn't always available. >> michael, in terms of the base. you're hearing well this could put us out off business because it is going to drive up the wages and suppress profit asks we won't be able to continue to employ folks. but if you go to a lot of people, that sounds oh that is not a bad idea. it is fairly low. it does necessarily cover the cost of things that i need. do you see a time where republicans seem mo move a little bit maybe not 10.10 but let's meet somewhere in the middle. >> i think it does have pot...

Their policy unchanged. so we see this debate really up in the last few months. even if congress does not touch the 10.10, which they will not. and you see moves towards that. have the seeds been planted for the minimum wage to be a large issue heading into 2016. is this something democrats will play up for a while and try to spark substantive change? >> i have to believe that is the case. and polls are very strong. and not just among democrats, by the way. above 50%. and i thought michael made a very good point lately. the president has said -- i'm sort of riffing off a point, michael made. t...

That michael made, hard to tell what was on the list. remember in 2011 the department of justice convened a similar meeting to look at the options in terms of executive action and a list that was actually put together that got put on the back burner with other issues that took center stage. clearly there was research that has been done in the administration regarding what kind of things can be done f. we start with mental health or enforcing the laws, perhaps that's a way to get buy in from the nra or to try a wedge between the nra leadership and the membership. what we have seen is very diver...

Has a super pac and running it, the money bunny, do you think that is going to be a priority of the president's if he is' leektsed to a send -- elected to a second term. >> if governor romney becomes president romney, then we're going to be in a situation where you have an administration that's based on these super pacs and is not going to be in any kind of hurry to change things. the point that michael made that's so good the way this excluded people from the process, is going to be a big -- a big part of 2016 because right now there's a lot of money, numbers are very big, but in 2016 it's go...