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It's shocking. >> yeah. >> shocking. >> even as michael reports in the piece, even as justice department officials came back to attorney general barr and said, it doesn't look like there's anything here, we're not going to have enough to bring charges, attorney general barr insisted that they continue their investigation, going back to your larger point about the justice department doing the bidding of president trump. let's turn to a potential, underline, potential breakthrough in the infrastructure negotiations on capitol hill. a bipartisan group of senators working on a deal says it now has...

Picture, there is no conflict -- no one's come out with a different image of donald trump that conflicts with the guy. >> yeah. >> who would do this kind of prenup and who would behave the way he does in his marriages, as you've reported in your book, as michael reports in his. >> yeah, i mean, this is -- this is sort of the -- i mean, this is the strange situation where it's all on the surface. america knew and knows who this man was, and yet they still elected him president. so i think there's no mystery as to who donald trump is. i think we're just shading in lines of the portrait and makin...

Out piecemeal from the, you know, early '90s to the present shows that there is much less there than he ever said. and i think the business press knew that for a long time. i think there were shades of it out there, but no one ever actually knew how deeply bad it was, and it was bad. >> one thing that i get, tim, from your reporting for years on donald trump, gabe, from your reporting, including this. michael wolfe's reporting is this consistent picture -- the picture is consistent. as to the specifics of every little tiny bit of evidence that has accumulated to create this picture, there is n...

That's usually one reason, to hide the truth. the president is caught up in that mess right now. >> and kate, to that point, add one thing to michael's point, i agree with completely, which is you have a couple of streams here, one you have this so-called collusion stream, but then as michael reports, you've got the obstruction thing and it's not likely that if there was going to be any sort of, you know, sort of closing of the collusion part that it would also implicate the obstruction thing. that seems to be alive and well and still quite active. >> all right. michael, michael and eleana i a...