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The saudi government. because we have forces on the arab peninsula. because we're in afghanistan until the american people realize or are told by their leaders that this war is about what their government does and not how they live and think, we're never going to realize the dimension of the en-- enemy we face and we're never going to be able to stop the growth of the next generation of awlakis and bin ladens and samir kahns. jon: interesting thoughts from michael scheuer, who used to be in the unit in charge of bin laden. thank you. >> thank you, sir, always. jenna: a lot to think about there...

Ask you questions, look directly into that notebook a little bit and we're looking forward to that, catherine, so thank you very much. >> >> reporter: having for -- thank you for having me. jon: some of the questions are already in and they are did. for more on the death of ann wa al-awlaki and samir kahn, let's bring in michael schuer, the head of the cia bin laden unit, a former cia counterterrorism analyst. we get differing opinions as to how important he was, and what his death means, michael. what's your take? >> oh, i think it's a good day when you kill them. we killed two of them, two o...

You. you've actually met with al-awlaki's father who many may not know was a high yemeni government official. >> yes jon. he was not only extremely prominent in his own country, but his tribe, his family, was just amazingly influential. they were advisers to prime ministers, his father was an agriculture minister, i think, when i met him during my days in yemen. but that was why this man is so irreplacable, because he was not only welcomed at home, he knew america, and he knew american vulnerabilities. jon: so you disagree with michael scheuer, for instance, whom we had on earlier, who said if...