Recollection? >> my sister-in-law at the time was giving birth and richard was there in the house when she was going into labor. >> prior to his trial, did anybody -- >> no. >> interview you? >> no. >> have you thought about this a lot over the years? >> yeah, that's crazy, his life, his kids, not able to see him. >> i always play devil's advocate with myself to try and find a reason to be skeptical of what a witness tells me. in this case, i'm thinking maybe because they're all in the same family that they're telling the same story. but then i meet this guy. >> my name is michael serano, a fe...