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Developments. with that, michael shoerer, what did you make of nut gingrich's assessment of how the administration is handling this? >> i think the speaker is was right. what's interesting about the egyptian situation, both parties, the president, and the american people, are cheering on a disaster for america. there is no chance for a secular democracy in egypt, that congressman who was on just previously is really not a very intelligent fellow. what follows mubarek, if he goes, and if suleiman goes, will be a government much less friendly to the united states, and much influenced by the musl...

Michael shoerer joined us, the former chief of the cia bin laden unit end had this to say about our intervention there. take a quick and short listen, i want to get your reaction: >> it's something we've seen all over the world, the more the west intervenes somewhere, the more radical the local muslims become. jenna: his point was the more intervention that we have in this area, the more we could actually spar people to come to these radical groups. what do you think about that? >> i disagree with that. especially once you've had a crossover from just sort of garden variety islamism to acoo ac...

Is still erupting and now scientists fear a second volcano may erupt any day now. if that happens, a glacier could melt sending floodwaters across the island and volcanic ash and fog all over europe. brian? >> he's accused of recruiting three of the september 11th hijackers. why did a judge order this detainee released from gitmo? the judge said the government did not have enough evidence to keep him at gitmo and has something to do with the way he was treated. we're jouined by former c.i.a. operatives, congressional candidate from the first congressional district and former c.i.a. counterterr...

Memos. these aren't transcripts. gary is in our new york studio. these are memos, they're not transcripts. could she be right that the lawyer was the only one talking saying this waterboarding thing is legal. that's all i'm going to tell you. >> clearly, she responded to a lawsuit by amnesty international that stated that she was briefed in april of 2002. so her statements in a judicial process are different than those made under the political process. you know, it demonstrates hostility to the agency and it shows that the speaker has a unique ability to speak outside of both sides of her mout...

-- there were lawyers in the justice department that thought that they were legal, period. >> really? joining us right now to take a look at the controversy, a former c.i.a. operatives gary burston the author of "human intelligence" and "jawbreaker" and former c.i.a. counter intelligence michael shoerer. you heard the controversy then. she was minority leader at the time or the whip. what do you think about hthis? >> it seems to me mrs. pelosi is a liar. the agency has shown documents that she was briefed. her colleagues said she was briefed. >> in april or september. >> it seems to me like sh...