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It goes against the data, goes against the history, goes against his biography. >> michael tessler is a political scientist, i talked about with him on the podcast, who talked about how trump cultivated white people's racial anxieties and racial fears. >> i don't think obama activated it. he activated it by breathing. >> yes. >> and being president. >> he did not cultivate it. >> right. which is very different than what trump did, which was an active attempt to stir it up. in many ways there was a kind of genius to trump in the sense that for years, you know, it was this notion that the republ...

Ta-nehisi coates. >> i feel like we're picking right up. >> in some ways it's a check-in on a bunch of the theses in that essay which is that this is a man who harnessed the power of whiteness in a way that nobody had before because nobody had succeeded a black president. where is that project now after the midterms? >> i think it's probably exactly where -- i'm trying to think of how to say this without sounding arrogant. it's about what i thought it would be. >> yeah. >> i thought there's quite a bit that bears it out, quite a bit of research, michael tessler's book. all of the research has ...

>> in some ways it's a check-in on a bunch of the theses in that essay which is that this is a man who harnessed the power of whiteness in a way that nobody had before because nobody had succeeded a black president. where is that project now after the midterms? >> i think it's probably exactly where -- i'm trying to think of how to say this without sounding arrogant. it's about what i thought it would be. >> in some ways it's a check-in on a bunch of the theses in that essay which is that this is a man who harnessed the power of whiteness in a way that nobody had before because nobody had succ...

More importantly, the history was already there. it was quite clear. so the expectation that trump would be anything else i think is quite naive. it goes against the data, goes against the history, goes against his biography. >> michael tessler is a political scientist, i talked about with him on the podcast, who talked about how trump cultivated white people's racial anxieties and racial fears. >> i don't think obama activated it. he activated it by breathing. >> yes. >> and being president. >> he did not cultivate it. >> right. which is very different than what trump did, which was an active...

Example the starr report versus something measured, stayed, and restrained like this, i think this is a very positive model for somebody like mueller. >> joyce, you're nodding your head. >> i think that's exactly right. it's not an argumentative document, it's really the grand jury that worked with federal prosecutors talking to the house of representatives, which in many ways acts like a grand jury body when it considers impeachment. and saying, as one fact finding body to another, here's what we found. was don't draw conclusions, you just do your work. >> thank you both. don't forget to chec...