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>> yeah, didn't the former head of cia that again yesterday? >> let me get my question out. >> the president continues to defend flynn even though he was fired. why do you think the president is so fiercely loyal to michael flynn? >> because i think he likes him a lot. they were together constantly during the cape. he had flynn introduce him at campaign ramis and so on, so there's obviously a deep personal relationship there. >> yeah. >> okay. michael, thank you. appreciate you coming on. juliette, always a pleasure. thanks so much. when we come back, more on today's explosive testimony from t...

Comply and issue two subpoenas which don't fall under fifth amendment protection. do you think they will get the information that they need from michael flynn? >> they may. i think what they are trying to do at least on the senate side is to show that their investigation is still going on that on and that they can continue to try to get information from flynn without granting the immunity which he at least had said he wanted. but i have to say i don't blame flynn for the fifth. if i were his lawyers, that's exactly what you would want adviced. you have the fbi as well as mueller now circulatin...

Thoughtful. he had some management challenges at dia which ultimately let to him being fired by the obama administration, but there was nothing that would have told you in his biography then that he would be in this position now, that that -- that that justifies anything he may have done more recently, we don't know. that's why there's an investigation and mike flynn is interesting. he's an enigma. he may be a criminal. we don't know that part yet but that he's complicated is certainly true, and his complications, taking money from the russians are, doing those speeches, his clients in urge it...