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54% disapprove. and in the months after the results of the midterm elections, when asked who they want to take the lead role in setting policy for the country, 48% want democrats setting policy, 21% want republicans, and 19% with president trump in particular. michelle, let me start with you. and we have these dual tracks. there's the legal side of things, the investigation continues. there are the politics and the president is doing everything he can to shape perception of what's happening. your sense from those numbers of how well that's working. >> i've heard people say a lot of times, they...

You know, i never paid that much attention to the ins and outs of benghazi, because i just decided early on that it was a farce. so, you know, people -- democrats were actually much less conversant with the little details. and in that case, it really was a farce. it really was, you know, all kind of a witch hunt, if you will. but i think that the psychological mechanism of just writing it off, until there is some sort of explosive revelation, is probably the same. and sonnet one hasn't, i don't think anything is going to change unless there is either a big revelation, either from the fdny or f...

Step up. the encouraging news now is that we have a house that will now fulfill its responsibility to check and balance. and so they can actually haul in people like the secretary of education, people like ben carson and find out how they've been failing, expose the corruption, and as a legal matter, there's a lot more power they have to investigate cabinet officials, than they do folks in the white house. because people in the white house can claim executive privilege. >> michelle, is he avoiding all of this, when he goes back to whi whitefish, montana, is he escaping the scrutiny of this con...

People are solidly in their beliefs at this point. try as he may by tweeting witch hunt and saying what he's saying, those who think it's not a real thing are going to think it's not a real thing, and those who do think it's a real thing will think it's a real thing. do you agree that? how much light is there for people to change their perspective on this? >> i agree with michelle 100%. it seems as though -- we were talking about this before the show. it's not just about the president, right? it's about the republican party and his administration and the institutional structure that's supporti...

Representatives act like sick infants and they just sort of kowtow to this particular president. >> and they learn stuff! people -- they're running the country. >> i think it's interesting that the democrats ran this last election on health care, health care, health care. and did not let themselves get derailed. and that seemed to have an effect. that is a real problem in the lived experience of most americans. and i think you're right, that sort of focus makes a difference. >> michelle, let me tee up your next block. we talked about personnel change, but you talked about weakness a moment ago...