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And the interesting thing about it to me is that it really fits into a broader narrative, i think. and this is one of those situations where, you know, you can analyze the event and the e-mails in a micro sense. then when you take a step back and look at it in a macro way and realize that what's really going on here is while a man is running for the presidency of the united states, his company is simultaneously trying to enter into a business deal which would be one of the largest real estate projects of its kind in the world. pretty stunning stuff, i would think. >> and, tim, i want to take a...

Dmsmt a micro sense a thousand jobs which are going to effect several thousand people. and you can understand why people in middle america will say look at those folks in new york. they think they know what they are talking about. but do you know what? i need a job. that doesn't mean when he talk about it. because quite frankly this is effecting people and this is a big win for donald trump but there are structural problems and they need to be addressed. >> i listen to -- something he said on npr mocking donald trump saying there is no way this man is going to be able to save these jobs. he sa...

He's going to face a jury, if he doesn't plea, and the justice system is going to prosecute him like he committed a criminal act. that is what justice in the micro sense looks like. had that been the case in ferguson, it would be a very different story. this is a very different place than ferguson. ferguson, as the doj report showed us, shares many things with many communities across the country. but is an outlier empirically in terms of the number of summons, the disproportionate nature of traffic stops. that said, just in talking to people here today, i've heard some complaints about disprop...

Since the video emerged is part of why it's so calm there. >> yeah that's right. there was a rally at the steps of the city hall just a few minutes ago, still folks down there, but maybe about 20 25 fairly subdued. you do not see the just sheer outrage and frustration that you saw in ferguson. i think there's two reasons for that. one is that the officer in question is charged with murder. he was denied bail. he's behind bars. he's going to face a jury if he doesn't plea and the justice system is going to prosecute him like he committed a criminal act. that is what justice in the micro sense l...

Kerry say. first thing to you, morris reid, he said that syrians -- the possibility of their implosion, that americans care about that. given what we have heard from town hall meetings across this country, particularly in this last week, do you agree with that? do americans care enough to do something about it? >> well, it's two parts. yes, americans care when people are being wiped out and treated badly. so they do care about that. the second part of that is that explaining to the american people why they should care about getting involved in this particular situation. that's what the adminis...