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Where the race stands right now. before biden entered, he was at 28%. he jumped up to 28% the week after he entered. he's kind of coming back to the pack a little bit. sanders has certainly fallen versus warren who jumped up from only 5% to 10% the week after biden entered. but it's leveling off at this point, and o'rourke, 8, 6, and 3, kind of falling. >> it seems like things are solidifying, or just bouncing around? >> they're kind of bouncing around sort of right now, but i think this is the kind of thing. we sometimes get into these micro trends without looking at the macro trends. and thi...

Of blakeing something new because it's -- blaming something new because it's new when the old thing mattered more. they are referring to the old fashioned television and trump's come nation of -- domination of it. what is at stage? karl rove and mark penn, presidential polester. the author of the new book "micro trends: the small fors behind tomorrow's big changes." gentlemen, welcome. good to have you here. >> thank you. >> martha: your thoughts. carte, -- karl, start with you. on the big picture here, mea culpa and the thought on blaming this for the reason that trump was able to win? >> the...

Not with either party. you have a whole host of different elections where for lack of a better phrase, the republican party has shot itself in the foot with the primary results. i think you're right to notice the macro and the micro trends. the last thing the white house wanted was us on cable news talking about how bill clinton had the magic touch yet again, not the president. this at least gives them some breathing room and i think ken buck is as you mentioned another sort of cut from the same cloth as sharron angle and rand paul and this helps democrats in the long run. >> what do you do if...