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Guess what? yes, we do in one regard. we want to let that trillion dollars tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all of of that money going to the super wealthy. >> chris: does that help or hurt the president? >> i don't know. look, i think there is an interesting strategic decision that has to be made by team obama for the debate. if biden spends his time attacking paul ryan's plan, ryan will make it clear that is not the plan they are running on and if he spends a lot of his time attacking paul ryan and has a great night doing that, it won't make any differenc...

Always use... obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do. and one regard... we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of aural of that money going to the super wealthy. that's not a tax rate -- that's called fairness, where i come from. >> greta: well, we are back with our political panel. sam, this will be edited as a yes we do, they will cut off the end on that one. >> you know, i imagine -- i would give anything to hear the conferrings after this happens between the vice-president and the pre...

Joe biden, they can read pretty well on the script. but had they go off script, they say some pretty bizarre things. >> we are reallying around a new economic patriotism rooted in the core belief that built this country, that believes that the economy grows when we have a strong and thriving middle class, and everybody who works hard as has a shot. >> you know the phrase you always use, obam and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars? guess what? yes we do n. one regard, we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that ...

Joe biden, they can read pretty well on the script. but had they go off script, they say some pretty bizarre things. >> we are reallying around a new economic patriotism rooted in the core belief that built this country, that believes that the economy grows when we have a strong and thriving middle class, and everybody who works hard as has a shot. >> you know the phrase you always use, obam and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars? guess what? yes we do n. one regard, we want to let that trillion-dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that ...

However, vice president joe biden isn't afraid to tell a hard truth. >> obama and biden want to raise tacks by $8 trillion. guess what? yes, we do in one regard. we want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy. >> karen finney is an msnbc political analyst and former dnc communications director and hogan giddily is the former communications director for the rick santorum campaign. welcome to both of you. kar karen, to quote jack nicholson in "a few good men" romney and ryan, they just can't hand...