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Should certainly survey cell phones and lots of other reasons like who is going to vote and how you define likely voter screen. there are loads of reason why there are such discrepancies in the polls. that's why i always tell everybody do not trust any particular poll. they can all be wrong at various times. go to the polling averages at pollster.com, realclearpolitics.com. they're not politics but the best we've got. >> if you don't know exactly what's going on, i'm ready to throw up my papers at the desk and say that's it. given the president's lead in those states, larry, nbc's first read t...

Lot of trouble with. these are people who aren't necessarily able to vote for him this time around. he has made improvements with other voting groups including latinos where he's actually doing better with latinos according to the september nbc/"wall street journal" polls than he did against john mccain in 2008. that doesn't make up all the difference. it helps to try to get to 50% and particularly 50% in those important swing states. >> let's talk about from the demos to this midwest firewall. i mean, in a state like ohio, i don't know, for example, the ethnic backgrounds of most of the voter...

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>> oh, absolutely, alex. good morning to you. look, it is no surprise that president obama is kicking off the weekend here in ohio. this is really the cornerstone of his midwest firewall. if mitt romney can't win ohio, it is nearly impossible for him to win the presidency. and right now polls show that president obama is holding onto a modest lead here in the buckeye state. president obama made three stops here on friday. and really what was a campaign all-out blitz, two of those stops, by the way, alex, were in counties that he lost back in 2008. he's hoping to kick off some of those working-...

The election. we're expecting air force one to touch down in las vegas in just a few moments, and earlier today in wisconsin the president regathered his campaign fight making his closing argument in this election and urging voters to say no to the purveyors of cynicism. >> they spent millions to stop us from reforming health care and wall street and student loans, and their strategy from the start was to engineer pure gridlock in congress. their bet is on cynicism. but wisconsin, my bet is on you. >> of course, wisconsin is a key part of the president's so-called midwest firewall, including i...