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At the "new york times" and the way that you explain the polling is somehow biased or wrong or evil. i feel like you are waging a one-man war against explaining how polling works and how averaging works. how has the week been? >> it's been a trip where you become a subject of conversation yourself and there's this kind of celebrity level attached to it that's very new for me. but there are other websites that do the same thing that we do. pollster.com and three or four others and they all show basically the same thing. there's no way to slice and dice the data in ohio or iowa or wisconsin righ...

And age. these qualities are not subject to continual change. person's political affiliation is. in a strong year for democratic presidential candidate for example, more people will say they're democrats and vice versa. party identification there, poll is intended to discover. not something honest pollster should try to determine ahead of time. however, there is this. four years ago in a big year for democrats, election day exit polling showed more democrats voted than republicans by 7%. the same margin that obama won. not many people think big as percentage of democrats would turn out this ye...

Should certainly survey cell phones and lots of other reasons like who is going to vote and how you define likely voter screen. there are loads of reason why there are such discrepancies in the polls. that's why i always tell everybody do not trust any particular poll. they can all be wrong at various times. go to the polling averages at pollster.com, realclearpolitics.com. they're not politics but the best we've got. >> if you don't know exactly what's going on, i'm ready to throw up my papers at the desk and say that's it. given the president's lead in those states, larry, nbc's first read t...

The margin of error. these are states that mitt romney absolutely has to win. >> >> bill: when will you have new polling from florida and ohio? >> next week. >> okay. doctor, you have heard i think both rove and morris were pretty -- they made a pretty good case. that the polling we saw today isn't accurate and but it does have a definite effect on the perception of the presidential race. what do you say? >> well, i think karl rove made some good points. i have to admit i can't construct a grassy knoll as large as dick more nor -- morris did. i did that so you can plug your kennedy book, bill....

The margin of error. these are states that mitt romney absolutely has to win. >> >> bill: when will you have new polling from florida and ohio? >> next week. >> okay. doctor, you have heard i think both rove and morris were pretty -- they made a pretty good case. that the polling we saw today isn't accurate and but it does have a definite effect on the perception of the presidential race. what do you say? >> well, i think karl rove made some good points. i have to admit i can't construct a grassy knoll as large as dick more nor -- morris did. i did that so you can plug your kennedy book, bill....