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Stuff about all these people are more talented than i am and i just do a job, i think that is false modesty. i think dave probably thinks pretty highly of himself, but he doesn't like to say those things out loud. i think it's a midwestern trait, i think. so he keeps talking himself down self-deprecating remarks and so on. but he was one of the great entertainers, i think, in the history of the medium. >> kevin, talk about how dave feels about it because my impression from you writers who i've known forever is that dave -- i get the impression he was never really satisfied with any given show ...

Because, you know, he impacted the culture, to use that dull academic language. he really -- that show, even though it wasn't number one and contrary to all that stuff, the top ten lists and the expressions, and the whole attitude he represented, the idea of sound comedy and all that using real people instead of scripting everything, all those things and many more will be influencing comedy for years and years to come. and will be imitated for years to come. i just don't think the imitators are likely to be as good as dave was. i do wonder if some of that stuff about all these people are more ...

Against, that that might somehow lead to a disturbance. that zntd help the debate. we've had a civil debate in wisconsin it's a midwestern trait. some have brought that up as considerations. we've had all sorts of options brought to us by staff, lawmakers, from people across the state. butt as you heard on the tape, we nised that and said that wasn't a good idea. in terms of other way to come on in, it's not a trick. we've said it point-blank. come in and talk about it. i'm willing to talk about it. i'm willing to talk about it. but i ultimately believe it needs to lead to a vote. i don't thin...