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I may not be able to see my son graduate from high school. saturday night those fears were realized. and they were realized in part because of the hate-filled speech aimed at cops over the past four months. st. louis's finest deserve better. new york city's finest deserve better. so do police officers all across america. maybe now they will get it. maybe now we'll reset the conversation. and maybe now we'll have an honest discussion about how we balance the right of all americans and the safety of the men and women who are keeping us safe at night. mika. >> well, joe, let's reset the conversat...

Stop-and-frisk that you think is anti-police. >> yes. a lot of the rhetoric was. at a time when the police had a 70% approval rating. obviously that's not the case now. during the de blasio administration. >> the president released a statement saying there's no justification for what happened calling for unity and joe, i'll turn it over to you. what were your thoughts when the news broke? >> well, you know, mika, sadly this tragedy -- these assassinations were too predictable. you know, we have seen many protesting the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. we've heard them chanting black li...

Between the views of law enforcement and the responsibilities of law enforcement. i think the mayor, mayor de blasio really has a lot on his shoulders now to try to bring the city together because of the act of one crazy guy. the relationship is out of balance. >> mark halperin let's talk about out of balance too as i talk about responsible words. i understand the anger, and the rage going through a lot of police officers on saturday night after being assaulted verbally over the past four months and sometimes physically being assaulted. is it fair, though, to say that the blood is on the hands...

Concerned that the president of the united states takes this so lightly. i mean, terrorism maybe? it is terrorism. i think the president can say that. it's cyber terrorism not vandalism. >> what's with the proportion nature response? don't we want disproportion nature response to deter regimes like north korea. the response shouldn't be limited to cyber responses. we have a wide array of military -- >> let's talk about this with our next guest joining us from austin, texas. david sanger. david you have new reporting on this. >> we do, mika. we reported over the weekend that the united states h...

What we don't need is the police union and the mayor at war. and the war of words on both those sides need to stop now because we just can't afford it. part it has to do with city contracts. part of it has to do with policy disagreements. part has to do with the conduct of both sides. i thought the rhetoric over the weekend from both sides was incredibly irresponsible. >> mika, let me say this really quickly and then we need to get to our guest. but those tragedies were no time to use language like that because we're not going to stop having the conversation on this show or across america abou...