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Lifetime, what happens then? your satan has accumulated all of this knowledge. are you reborn a scientologist? >> you're reborn as yourself and one of the goals of auditing is giving a person more control over what happens to them after he leaves the body, before he gets his new body. so you will remain conscious. >> you ever get a chance to meet hubbard? >> i was on the apollo, the original flagship and i walked out on this cat walk and around the corner come hubbard and his two aids. he said hi. in that instant it's like i was looking into outer space and i'd looked into the eyes of many peo...

Uptoneness that would occur or sort of expansion of your space or something like that. this process is called the first postulate process and the command is what isn't looking at you. >> what isn't looking at me. >> yeah. >> ah, my dad. my dad's not looking at me. >> okay. good. >> what isn't looking at you? >> my family. >> good. all right. what isn't looking at you? >> everybody who is not in this room. >> what isn't looking at you? >> i guess, the world. >> the needle released on that. how you doing on that one? >> good. some of the questions i describe as co-ones.

Your thetan has accumulated all of this knowledge. are you reborn a scientologist? >> you're reborn as yourself and one of the goals of auditing is giving a person more control over what happens to them after he leaves the body, before he gets his new body. so you will remain conscious. >> so, did you ever get a chance to meet hubbard? >> i was on the apollo which was the original flagship and i walked out on his catwalk and around the corner come hubbard and his two aides and he said hi. and in that instant it was like i was looking into outer space. and i looked into the eyes of many people....

So instead i reached out to a fellow academic and scholar of religions, donald westbrook, an one of the few experts on scientology who is not himself a scientologist. >> would you put scientology as you would put other religions? >> absolutely. what is unique about it is a product of the culture in which it was born. the religion of scientology came after the mental health movement of dianetics. dianetics was published in may 1950 by l. ron hubbard. it was basically a form of talk therapy. hubbard thought that all the traumas you have over your lifetime, engrams as they're called, is stored in...

Scientology in 1969 and rapidly became one of the church's top auditors. he achieved ot-8 status. ot-8 or operating thetan 8 is the highest level a scientologist can reach in the church in what l. ron hubbard called the bridge to total freedom. it's the guided step-by-step process through which a scientologist can achieve salvation. it's a state that very few scientologists have achieved. >> in 2007 he was excommunicated, thrownut of the church, declared a suppressive person but he is still a devout believes in scientology and he continues to make a living auditing people out of his house just...