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Actively engaged in this conversation. recently a group of us were over at the pentagon meeting with the vice chiefs of staff at all levels, they are saying we're trying to change the culture. we're trying to change the training, we're trying to change our ability to talk about this. and part of what they need to do is change the number of prosecutions and laws. as anu said and you've heard, the military code of justice does not exactly follow civilian law. and there are reasons it's different. but civilian law was updated a long time ago with respect to how victims should be treated, the issu...

Simple fact. talk to me about what you experienced and why you think this is necessary. >> i experienced a culture in the military that wasn't conducive to helping survivors. and i kept secret for many years because i was uncomfortable. and i didn't want to really share it. so when i started seeing the public opinion change, and i saw representative pingree's reg legislation come forward, i knew it was time to talk and to share my experience. >> and one of the things that was so shocking that i heard at the senate hearings, was that so many of the convicted offenders returned to their units. a...

That means one out of 100, we have accountability. >> and as you pointed out yesterday, a huge percentage of those who are convicted return to their commands so what does that say to the victims? it's remarkable. >> it's part of a very serious problem. if you have 19,000 allegations, but only 2400 are even reported, that vast number aren't reporting because they do not believe -- this is the testimony we heard yesterday. they're afraid, they're afraid of retaliation. they're afraid of being held accountable for something they've done. they're afraid of not being able to stay in the military an...

Realistically, what chance bdoe it have? >> we had an enormous amount of support, bipartisan, house and senate. we were just at the pentagon two weeks ago getting a briefing on the incredible progress they claim to have made and trying to reduce the alarming level of sexual assault in the military. and this decision by this supervising general just turns justice on its head. when he appointed the all-male jury which convicted the lieutenant colonel of sexual assault, and punished him according to the military code of justice and then turned around and reversed that decision and basically grant...

You heard which were very, very moving i thought. just pure human level. nothing political, nothing whistle-blower. it went on for nine months. >> i was struck by this other detail about there was no toilet paper in the cell so when he used the toilet that was in the cell he would have to call out and request toilet paper which seemed like an incredibly humiliating ritual to go through. zach, i guess i want to get your thoughts, your reaction to hearing about this as someone who himself was -- voluntarily became subject to the uniform military code of justice. when you sign up you put yourself...