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Embarrass people or to keep them from identifying who they are in terms of orientation but it is one more prod toward some sort of disciplinary measure, if you say a person you can't admit you are gay, then you are putting one extra prod to keep the discipline in order? is that an argument for it? >> it was initially put in place as a stepping stone. >> was it? >> i believe so. and i think we're at a time now we can move beyond. i think senator mccain is wrong. there's no better time to move on than while we are at war. >> if you were the chairman of the joint chiefs and told by the commander ...

At a time when the military's overextended and guys are doing two, three, four tours, and meshed together, you're going to say this is not the right time? it's ridiculous. >> let me ask you. i'll take the other views here. let's try this other argument. is the "don't ask, don't tell" policy basically used not to embarrass people in terms of orientation, but it's one more prod toward some sort of disciplinary measure, if you can't admit you're gay, you're putting one extra prod in the discipline order? >> it was initially put in place as a stepping stone. >> was it? >> i believe so. and you thi...

There's nothing radical about a policy that catches up with policy on the ground. >> it's not a question of whether gays serve in the military or can serve in the military as to whether people who engage in other sexual behavior can serve or have served. the focus son the behavior and not the individual and their orientation. >> of course it's a question of -- >> no. >> of course, if gays already serve -- >> what you're calling for is a change in military code and law which would drop all sexual morays, the standards that's -- >> that's incorrect. the usmj does not ban homosexual conduct and d...

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