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Cut off. >> but how are we going to keep the iranians out? maliki is much closer to the iranians than he is to us. the iranians have been in since the beginning of this government. i'm not against military action under any circumstance but it seems to me we have a certain leverage right now with maliki wanting us to take military action and we should use that leverage to get him to make political decisions. >> that's all well and good but for the moment -- that's all well and good, it's a good idea but for the moment we have a military problem. the iranians have advisors and such. what we don'...

Iranians out, maliki is much closer to the iranians than he is to us. i'm not against military action in any circumstance, it seems to me, we have a certain leverage right now with maliki wanting us to take military action. we slu use that to get him to make political decisions. >> that's all well and good, but for the moment, we -- for the moment -- that's all well and good, and it actually is a good idea, but for the moment, we have a military problem. the iranians have advisers and such, what we don't want is hundreds of -- large columns of iranian troops streaming in, because baghdad is cu...

Sprung up. i would say there are quite a few thousand sunni insurgents right now in the sunni areas. the danger for maliki is, these people can take and hold territory, including territory all around baghdad, and near the shia shrine cities of the south that president obama mentioned yesterday. kebab la and another city. if they're able to cut off these places, particularly baghdad that could provoke iranian entry into the walk and a real disaster. basically a regional civil war. that's what president obama has to deal wit rye nh right now an that's basically a military problem. >> given that,...

Personalized. i think dempsey is a fine man. it's just that he and mccain disagree on american intervention. i think to underscore the point that david was making, this is not really a military problem in the sense that the iraqi government is 700, 8,000 men. isis, to the best we can tell, is 2 or 3,000 people. the problem is that because of the sectarian nature of the army, the sunnis there seem to be fleeing and refuse to fight. all of those people laying down their arms and taking off their uniforms are probably sunnis who didn't want to fight fellow sunnis and actually felt a greater bound...

Joining me are congresswoman and iraq war veteran and congress manage tim murphy, a clinical psychologist in the navy reserve who treats soldiers with pts. thank you both so much for joining us this morning. i'm sorry it is on this subject because it seems like we do it pretty regularly here. i want to first start out with a statement that came from the father of the shooter, now deceased. he had this to say friday. "this situation is very painful. i seek prayers for all the families affected. more so when there is an ongoing investigation. my son must not have been in his right mind. he wasn'...