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been proven at times to be a lie, proven at times to be consistently false, he's consistently able to make that and get republicans, his rivals to rally around that this is the top of the hour, 2:00 in new york city, and we are going to take a pause, just for all of us to take a breath and remind you of what's happening here donald trump is now inside of the courthouse in lower manhattan. we expecting him to walk down that hallway, where you see that heavy security presence. he is going to go into a courtroom for an arraignment we're told it's likely to be around 30 charges. we do ...

Crimes that emanate from that. if you have a false business filing and that filing is made repeatedly and you use it in different ways or you create many different documents, all connected to one scheme, the fact that you are able to charge that 34 times doesn't really change the way i think that a jury might look at it, but certainly not how the judge is going to look at it. they're going to be looking through half those charges to see what is the actual scheme being charged? when i used to do securities fraud, wire fraud, mill fraud cases, you could charge thousand of counts because there's ...

They're an efficient size. in other words, they're way too big. if we shrink them, we make them more efficient, we dramatically reduce the risk of the next crisis, and we produce greater employment and less fraud. that's a win, win, win. we need to do that first. the second thing is you need to fire geithner, you need to fire holder, and you need to demand bernanke's resignation. and you need to replace them with people that will actually enforce the laws for the 99. >> it would been an interesting thing, david, we've seen this, i think all of us, whether you've lived through bill black's last...

Between -- and this is where i know you're not going to like this. it does get into a left/right paradigm to a certain extent. it's not a partisan issue, but you have run-of-the-mill fraud, which the bankers have not been held accountable for, and there's plenty of examples. then the question is, what does government do to impose certain restrictions on what banks can and cannot do that is not -- >> sure. >> exactly. and that, to me, falls within that paradigm. >> but we've actively gone ahead and tried to promote a more sort of robust finance system. since alexander hammiltonhamilt has been a...

Could prosecute them under the existing fraud laws for very conventional fraud. look, the fbi warned over seven years ago that there was an epidemic of mortgage fraud and predicted that it would cause an economic crisis. there's no excuse. we've had over seven years to deal with open frauds. only about a month ago, the federal housing finance administration filed fraud complaints, civil ones, against 17 of the largest banks in the world, in which it said, there is a paper trail that demonstrates the fraudulent intent of these banks. well, where is the justice department? and for that matter, w...