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A conversation about what is russia's role in the global world order. and so the steps being taken are simply to make that point, that russia is here, russia matters, and we're a force to be dealt with. and that is a fairly predictable course of action they're taking. i think the important conversation that we have to have with them is, does russia want to now and forever be an adversary of the united states. do you want this to get worse or does russia desire a different relationship. we're not likely to ever be friends. as others have noted, our value systems are starkly different. we do not...

Nunn said, i mean former senator nunn and secretary gates said when they talked about the need to have dialogue with russia and to continue a mill to mill relationship. but i also think it's important for us to understand who we're dealing with. in 2008, you notably said that there is no respect for the rule of law in russia today. do you think that continues to be true? >> that is still the case, yes. >> so i think you can probably understand, mr. tillerson, why some of us are very concerned about the president-elect's statements praising vladimir putin's leadership, his intelligence, includi...

Today. and i think as secretary gates alluded to and as secretary nunn alluded to in their opening remarks, dialogue is critical so these things do not spin out of control. we need to move russia from being an adversary always to a partner at times. and on other issues we're going to be adversaries. it's not unlike my comments i made on china. at times china is friendly and at times china is an adversary. with russia, engagement is necessary in order to define what is that relationship going to be. and then we will know how to chart our own plan of action to respond to that. >> in my mind, if ...

But now, i'm moving to a completely different responsibility. my love of country and my patriotism is going to dictate that i serve no one's interest but that of the american people in advancing national security. >> as you travel the world with the business mindset, working at developing projects around the world, obviously you're hearing from people around the world. former president carter in june of 2015 was commenting on president obama's foreign policy. and here are some excerpts of his quotes. he said he can't think of many nations in the world that we don't have a better relationship t...

Manifestation, and i think the new threat posed in terms of how russia has used this as a tool, that introduces even another element of threat. but cyber attacks are occurring from many nations. >> so no matter where they come from, if they come from belgium, if they come from france. if somebody is conducting cyber attacks against the united states and we pass a law that authorizes the president to sanction them or actually imposes these sanctions as mandatory, would you advise the president to sign it? >> it is that second element that you described that leaves the executive branch no latitu...